Why Hillary is staying in

According to Thomas Frank:

"A top Democratic source with insight into Bill's and Hillary's states of mind says the Clintons are convinced that a Democratic presidency is all but certain no matter how messy the fight for the nomination."

That rings true.  The Clintons recognize what a special, special year this is for the Democrats.  An unpopular war, a lousy economy, a Republican rival who can't shore up his base without lashing himself to W Bush.  They think even a badly damaged Democrat would win - whoever wins the Democratic primary is the next President.

That being the case, why drop out?  Not something they're going to say publicly, but doesn't it sound right?



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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

I've been saying this for a while now, they were fighting so hard because they knew that a democratic will be president, and thus whoever wins the nominations stands the best chances of being president.

but its too late now, the CW is slowly becoming Obama is the nominee and the supers are allowing Hillary space to end the race on a high note, but if she were to try anything destructive they would shut down the race in a second. There is no more rationale for her to tear down Obama anymore, she can campaign but she has to stay positive, and the last thing the supers want is to be forced to end the race, they want Hillary to do the hard part for them.

where was it I think Bloomberg news or so I read the spending right now is unsustainable and its uncertain how much longer realistically she can continue.

remember people like Howard Wolfson are making a killing so each day he still has a job, is another day she needs funds to pay him.


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by TruthMatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:10:41 AM EST

Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

Since Tuesday the media FINALLY decided its over. That they have been holding Clinton up for too long (technically she lost for good after WI) and now the bottom has dropped out and every minute that passes the harder it is for her to stay in this race. At most she'll stay in till May 31st. I do not see this making it all the way to Puerto Rico, at all.
by Cheebs on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:11:58 AM EST

Re: Why Hillary is staying in (2.00 / 1)

Do not count the Clintons out yet. That would be a mistake. They have the resources to stay in as long as they wish. Wanting it to be over, as well as different aspects of reality that would normally lead one to suppose it would be, doesn't equal that it will be over May 31.


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by catilinus on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:20:00 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

My understanding is that she can spend up to half their joint assets, which means she can spent $25 million. She's already spent more than $11 million and they have $20 million in debt.

That's part of the equation for the Clintons.


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by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:21:43 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (2.00 / 1)

That's a malleable part of the equation. Donations may slow down, but they won't stop. I have no idea when the primaries will be over. I can no longer even recall when they began.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:42:34 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

Costs won't slow down either.  If she has to campaign until the convention she will run out of money.  I think that realization is what will finally get her to admit defeat.


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by Blue Neponset on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:00:44 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

I can't imagine costs will be anywhere near the same going forward.  Aren't the biggest costs advertising, especially TV?  Only cheap TV markets from here on out, and zero advertising costs after the last primary.  She should also be able to cut her campaign staff way back after the primaries.  If she wants to stay in, then I suspect she'll have the resources to stay in.


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by soccerandpolitics on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:54:45 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

When you are millions of dollars in the red every additional cost is a problem.  At some point Hillary has to pay her bills.  If she can't do it now then she won't be able to do it a month from now because donations will dry up without any new races to energize her donors.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:51:26 PM EST
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resources (none / 0)

You think they're going to keep pumping their own money into the race?

Mark my words, they will get back every penny they put in. These are short term loans.  


by highgrade on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:22:55 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

Well, I hate to hear people, particularly top aides, being complacent; though I imagine their true feelings more nuanced than what's expressed here.

But what's most interesting is how this directly contradicts Jerome's front page diary from this morning.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:14:05 AM EST

Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

I should clarify-

contradicts the pro-Clinton arguments presented in Jerome's diary, not his own points.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:17:33 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (2.00 / 2)

One thing that strikes me is that argument is completely contrary to their other argument -- that Obama can't win in November.

What makes it too late is not the media narrative but the fact that Clinton didn't win enough delegates, in part because her campaign strategist was so incompetent he thought CA was winner take all.


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by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:15:01 AM EST

Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

That was my first thought too. Haven't a lot of the Clinton supporters around here been marching to the drumbeat that Obama can't win the general since Tuesday?

I think this explanation is more reasonable. Partly because I can't even begin to understand why Obama would lose in November.


by Jaffee on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:49:57 AM EST
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Or..... (none / 0)

As long as she promotes democratic unity I am okay with that statement.

But when her campaign manager keeps talking about white voters and Obama's electability I get concerned.

If the media is going to give her a grace period she should use it wisely. If she opportunistically keeps pointing out how Obama is black and therefore unelectable (before the Appalacian primaries) then she is cynically using this hands off time for unpleasant purposes.

I hope that is not the case.


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by missliberties on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:32:02 AM EST

Re: Or..... (none / 0)

I think she's trying to provoke the Obama campaign into saying something that will turn off some white voters.  


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by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:34:54 AM EST
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Re: Or..... (2.00 / 1)

It's Clinton's fault; she provoked Obama/Obama's campaign to misspeak. That's too funny.


by soyousay on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:38:32 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (2.00 / 1)

add to this that Obama still has to prove he can win outside of  his base, best prove of it will be clean victory in WV.
Also there is no nomination between FL&MI and Clintons very right to stay until FL&MI seated.
But if they seated and Obama will lose WV, KY & PR, it will leave Dems with
unproven unelectable unexperienced nominee with swiftboatable baggage.
So Dems will need Clintons more than ever.
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:01:17 AM EST

Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

Doubt it.

Al Gore would be a much better nominee than Hillary if things go bad at the convention.  There is no way Hillary will become our nominee.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:04:13 AM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

  1. Hillary can be a nominee - regardless of how many times you will say NO WAY.
  2. I will take Gore over Obama anytime - so we agreed here, but only in case if both Hillary and Obama out of picture.

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:25:42 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

It will be over soon enough my friend.  I hope you get on board the Obama bandwagon.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:44:11 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

  1. it will not be over before convention, like Hillary said. she has money, support and Obama has no enough to be nominated before convention.
  2. i am not your friend - do not try tricks on me.
  3. I will be never on "Obama's bandwagon". If Dems stupid enough to nominate the loser, I will vote for McCain and Obama will lose in landslide.

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:16:30 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

That's one mighty powerful vote you've got there, my friend.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:24:18 PM EST
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Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

For many of the same reasons that Jerry Brown, Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and others stayed in the race. They wanted to make sure that they could speak to their delegates on prime time at the national convention. They wanted to make sure that their supporters could cheer them on at the convention.

I think Obama supporters should give Clinton some space. That's the best thing they can do to heal the party. The more they scream for her to get out, the more resistant she will be in getting out. Let her get out in a way that she and her supporters can feel good. Two her best primary states in the whole country are probably West Virginia and Kentucky (The other being Arkansas). Let those states vote for her. Then on May 31st, Obama should not be too resistant to seating the Michigan and Florida delegation in proportion to the actual vote count. The Michigan plan would split the delegation 69-59 in favor of Clinton. That would be a good compromise. Fight that proposal, and this race will go on through the convention. Accept the proposal, and her aides have been talking that she would quit the race in June.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:18:42 AM EST

Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

She's staying in for the convention spotlight? She could have as much prime time airtime as she wants--she's a Clinton at the Democratic Convention, fercryinoutloud... She does not need the podium like Jackson, Brown or Hart did.


by tomchaps on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:10:31 PM EST
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Imho (none / 0)

If there were some kind of an external force which prohibited Barack from becoming the nominee, I don't see how Clinton would be successful at winning over AA's. Barack has never lost any block of voters by a whopping 92 percent.

Nope, I don't see young voters and blacks backing a Clinton nomination because many will perceive it as being illegitimate.


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by april34fff on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:27:02 AM EST

Re: Imho (none / 0)

Wasn't Hillary known as the first "Black Presidential Candidate" back in 1992, Oh,that's right it was "Bill Clinton" They still blur together, she did such a fine job running that administration.


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by johnny sexton on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:20:14 PM EST
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She can stay in (none / 0)

as long as she stops attacking Senator Obama.  We have an opportunity to retain the media limelight while taking the fight to the Republicans.

Otherwise, she's Tonya Harding for real.


by McNasty on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:51:49 AM EST

Re: Why Hillary is staying in (none / 0)

She has no chance, unless Barack Obama starts working as a clerk at THE Rose Law Firm.And goes for a nice peaceful walk in the park.


John McCain: Everyones nowhere man
by johnny sexton on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:23 PM EST


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