Speaking of Lieberman....did ya'll see the letter he sent out to Republicans where HE referred to the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party?

To: Fellow McCain Supporters
From: Senator Joe Lieberman
Date: June 5th, 2008

Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain." Citizens for McCain is an organization within the McCain campaign for people who put country before political party and support the candidate for President who has a proven record of bipartisanship. As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party's nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.
(emPHAsis mine)

We have an Astrotroll 'representing' us in the Senate!
How bloody ridiculous is that?

Linfar has already posted a Trojan Horse diary "One Hellouva Fight!!!". They make it sound like they are supporting the Democratic nominee and then fill the diary with references like:

DNC showed unconscionable bias
Donna Brazille can kiss my white ass
Michelle Obama and rumored whitey comment
Rev. Wright
Obama's assertion of a relative at Aushwitz
Obama fibbed stuff (meaning he is a liar)

"One Hellouva Fight!!!"
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/6/17324 6/1981

Who are "You people?"

Who are you to decide what "legitimate" concerns are?

I could ask you the same question. You can't fault people for bringing up John McCain because if you haven't realized, he is the Republican nominee and we've now entered General Election mode. On a site dedicated to electing Democrats, it just makes sense.

I'd be more than willing, and I'm sure others would too, to listen to your concerns. If no one is talking about it, be the first. Just because people aren't talking about it doesn't mean it isn't an issue. However, it certainly doesn't make issues about John McCain any less important.

I agree whole heartedly as Democrats and progressives we need to check ourselves. Our -isms were showing this primary seasons

But since Obama will be our nominee I wonder what reason a democrat would have for bringing up Wright or Ayers at this point, other than to be concerned about how the Repubs might handle them. In the past it was to promote Hillary but now that's out. So, yes, that is a sign of a troll.

Obama has not been dishonest about Ayers. There is simply no there there. It's about as arm's length a relationship as you can get and it reveals nothing about Obama's judgment.

As for Wright, the judgment issue is more legitimate. I firmly believe we have to see Obama's relationship to Wright in the broad context of his search for a surrogate father after college. It's a complicated and often contradictory relationship, and I understand how some folks find it troubling. But Obama has explained it so many times - most thoroughly in his own books.

But here's the key about Wright: If you are perplexed and maybe a bit troubled about Obama's decision to remain with TUCC for so long even though Obama did not share Wright's radicalism then you probably would not use that, in the end, as a major reason to vote against him. After all, lots of people continue relationships with questionable characters for private reasons - often friendships have little to do with politics.

But if you believe that Obama actually shares the views of Wright on race and patriotism, without ANY evidence of it other than the mere presence of Obama at TUCC, then you are an Astrotroll. That's really the difference betwen legitimate concern over Wright and Hannity-style red-baiting (and race baiting).

BTW - I find the term "astrotroll" ironic coming from an Obama supporter

I find it highly unlikely that the diarist is an Obama supporter. I disagree with your comments about judgment and honesty with regards to Wright and Ayers. But this isn't the time or place to hash that out. We'd be doing what the diarist intended all along.

Wow, this issue seems to have hit a nerve with you.  

Based on your very short posting history here at MyDD, (and up until now, very short comments), this issue seems to resonate with you.

I wonder why?

who helped Barack Obama accept Jesus Christ into his life as an example of Obama's "willingness to associate with unsavory characters in order to advance his career".  That is very unChristian of you, and I think it does a disservice to two men of good faith when you characterize their relationship in such a way.

It took Martin Luther nearly 40 years as a Catholic before he threw the Church "under the bus" (as you would probably phrase it).  Joining, changing or leaving a church is never an easy task.  I would think much less of Obama if he had cast Rev. Wright off at the first sign that Wright would negatively impact the campaign.

Ladies and gentlemen: an astrotroll, with a dash of concern troll for good measure.

Note, another fine example of an astrotroll is a brief history at the blog, often not extending to the period before the hot part of the campaign.

Thanks for the demonstration.

I've been trolling there lately.  It's a lot of fun - I encourage more people to do it.

No political talk, just long tangents.  Responding to a poster by saying "Yeah, my uncle was saying the same thing.  He's a weird guy; always goes off on Koreans for some weird reason which is embarassing as hell on Thanksgiving, but get him drunk and he passes out real quick...."

Or mentioning old Scooby Doo episodes or just totally derailing the conversation.

"the vitriol will only serve to push me to pull the lever for McCain in anger."

Then you deserve the result.

I've always been happy with either candidate.  I have always said that I'd vote for Clinton without hesitation. And I would have.  The most important thing to the entire country- and to the world- is to get a president in office who will be able to work with a Democratic congress to get a national healthcare plan in place, to get troops back from Iraq, and to reintroduce fairness to the American economy.  

None of these things will happen with McCain.  

If you vote McCain, you are shitting on everything Hillary ever stood for, and are in no way "a supporter of Hillary first." You are, in fact, knifing her in the back.

No offense, but every post I've seen of you has found you  talking about how Obama supporters are the most horrible people on earth as soon as you spot a troll that you can hang us all with OR pushing some ugly anti-democrat rumor OR talking about how no one has ever been treated worse than Hillary Clinton OR making messiah jokes.

a few of your comments:

"deadender"

"astrotroll"

"get over it"

Okay, that about does it.  Thanks.

So in retaliation, you will do your best or worst to see that we have four more years of Bush in essence.  Let me point out that Hillary is supporting Obama and she was the one "who endured" most.  

There is no evidence beyond supposition that every controversy that hurt her (Telza, "hard working Americans, white Americans," etc) was somehow orchestrated by the Obama campaign.  Any Obama campaign worker who was quoted as dissing Hillary (remember "She's a monster) was summarily fired.

Try not to let what some annonymous posters say about Hillary or Hillary supporters inflame you.  You, in most cases, don't know who those people are or even if they are what they claim to be.  In your anger you could be doing just what some neo-con troll wishes you to do.

who helped Barack Obama accept Jesus Christ into his life may exist but using such criticisms to tar the Democratic nominee is unacceptable.  That is very unChristian of you, and I think it does a disservice to two men of obvious Christian faith when you use one to demonize the other.

We can and should.

A month ago I spotted an obvious troll because he was red-baiting Barack Obama, and I said "no no no, you've got it all wrong.  You have to attack the Clinton supporters, not the Obama supporters.  They're the ones you want to alienate."

Any attempt at sowing discord and dissension now that Senator Clinton is supporting Obama should be viewed as astrotrolling.