One person's opinion - Tues. night speeches

Tues. night listening to Clinton speech I did not find it offensive.  In fact I thought her speech was great.  Yeah, that's right it was a great speech, but of course, the MSM panned it, calling it a horrible stepping on Obama's staging of his claim to the nomination.  This was patently wrong.  After all, Obama did not have the required pledged delegates to clinch the nomination, in fact, that is the only way to get the nomination prior to the convention, where the super delegates vote.  Now, enough super delegates have 'declared' for Obama for him to justify his claim, but until the convention, his claim is not reality.  

The biggest problem with Tues night was the Obama campaign trying to say that he had clinched it, but he did not have the required pledged delegates to make that claim.  Now that the MSM has once again attacked her for her having the temerity to celebrate her accomplishments, and the fact that in the face of his claim she actually won South Dakota, she had no right to thank her supporters, to list what her campaign did accomplish or to state clearly that she was making no decisions at that time?  I feel that the Obama campaign seems to always go for the theatrics, and then use the MSM to trash Clinton, as they have done repeatedly.  The Obama campaign should have not tried to be so cute, or so anxious to declare victory at her expense.  After all, he already has those super delegates in his pocket, so why try to force her to concede that night?

As usual the Obama supporters jumped all over her for her wanting to have one night where she did win another state and Obama did not have the pledged delegates.  But wait you say, isn't he the presumptive nominee?  Isn't he the selection of the DNC and the rules committee?  After all he had the votes in the rules committee to force a 50/50 delegate allotment out of Mich, never mind the reality that she won more delegates than uncommitted did?  No that only says that he had more supporters on the committee and that he took her delegates because he could, not that he earned those delegates.  He did voluntarily remove his name from the ballot.  Instead he played a nasty upstage on her, and then the MSM takes off on the VP rants.  

It is my opinion that Clinton doesn't want to be his VP running mate.  That position would be a lose/lose for her.  If Obama were to lose, she would be blamed by the media, in fact the media is already saying that if Obama loses it will be her fault.  Now that is the height of ridiculousness.  If he loses, it will be his fault, and not hers.  Why would she want to be on his ticket?  After all the Obama supporters won't want that, they hate her.  Isn't it true how they all say that Michelle Obama hates her.  So why would he even ask her?  That was all the media, they continue to speculate but it's all designed to make it impossible for Obama to even consider her.  The media hates her, his supporters hate her, so why would he?  He doesn't need her, in fact I have heard it said often enough that those supporters don't even want her voters, get rid of them, its said, we don't want or need her in this party.  Both Bill and Hillary Clinton have done more for the democratic party than any other people, but now they don't want them.  I say fine, they should get their desire.  I wouldn't want her to be on his ticket.  That way if he wins, it won't be her doing, and if he loses, it won't be her fault.  He has the nomination, now he doesn't need her.  There are many voters who voted for her who will not vote for Obama and it has nothing whatsoever to do with her, but rather him.  And that has nothing to do with race but instead its qualification, experience, knowledge of foreign affairs and the far left positions he advocates.  There is a whole middle of this country that will find Obama's positions just unacceptable.  Perhaps they will find McCain unacceptable too, but there is always the green party, or perhaps they might not vote at all.  One thing is for sure, continuing to insult her will gain Obama nothing.  continuing to attack her speech as if she did something wrong is ridiculous.  Obama jumped the gun, tried to be too cute by half, did not have the required pledged delegates to win the nomination outright and looks like he is trying too hard and too anxious to declare himself the winner.  He hasn't won yet till the vote in Denver.

He says that the democratic party will be united this fall.  I know the Obama supporters think that will be the case.  There are many Clinton supporters that will vote for Obama I'm sure.  But that will be up to Obama and not up to Clinton.  I feel that trying to blame Clinton for every shortcoming of Obama's is just too much to swallow.  Obama must make the case to the voters, and Clinton is not responsible to get them to vote for him.  It is his party, it is his job, not hers.  The party elites are trying to force her out, she is out.  Therefore, Obama needs to get busy because he has a lot of work to do.  The voters he needs to appeal to now are not going to be swayed by elaborate speeches, rock style rallies, lights and drama.  These voters want real solutions to real problems.  Obama needs to put some meat on the bones, fancy rhetoric won't cut it.  He has already gotten the easy vote, now comes the real work.  These voters were called Reagan democrats for a reason, they are tough minded people who are looking for real substance.  Obama needs to get some.  He does not need to rely on Clinton.  What ever help she could have given him is gone.  His supporters have seen to that.  
To continue to insult her and her supporters will gain him nothing.  His supporters should take their cue from their candidate, but so far I haven't seen that happening.  The is no need to insist on rubbing her face in the dirt, but so far that is exactly what is happening.  I find it disgusting.  Calling for unity is not actually getting any.  Pouting I won, I won, shame on her for upstaging me, well, she did not, he upstaged himself, he jumped the gun, he should have been more circumspect, that is his first failing.  His campaign has come to rely on staging. That and the MSM, which have proven in the past to be very fickle at the least. That was his fault and not hers.



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Re: One person's opinion - Tues. night speeches (2.00 / 1)

I'm all for unity and all, but seriously.

Yes, he clinched on Tuesday.

Whether it was before Hillary spoke or not is debatable.

McCauliffe's "Next President of the United States" intro was horrific.

Hillary's speech wasn't as horrid as the TM made out, but she should have at least acknowledged Obama going over the top (or at least his win in Montana). She did neither. No need to concede, or drop out, but at least acknowledge the historic occasion for what is was.

Was it a breach of etiquette? Is there such a thing in politics?

Yes it probably was.

Is it something people should crucify her for? Is it something that is going to keep both candidates and their supporters from working their tails off to ensure Democrats retake the White House and get 60 Senate seats (not including Traitor Joe's) this fall?

Absolutely not.


by Searching For Pericles on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 04:19:27 AM EST

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Factually she was in the basement which had no cell service and she did not know at the time that he was claiming going "over the top"  which I still think is not technically the case.  Else, why even have a vote at the convention.  The only way to claim the delegate count is with pledged delegates, the only way he goes over the top is with super delegates, so technically he is still not "over the top" and won't be till the vote is taken in Denver.  For people who are constantly reminding folks of the "rules, the rules" they are sure ready to throw those rules out when it suits them.


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by democrat voter on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 04:40:56 AM EST

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Given that argument McCain hasn't clinched it either -- because the Republicans are also going to have a vote.

It simply doesn't work that way. At some point common sense must prevail. Obama is as much the Democratic nominee same as McCain is the Republican nominee. Officially they both become that only after their respective conventions. Unofficially they already are.


by Aris Katsaris on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:11:03 AM EST
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Every single Democrat*ic* nominee I'm aware of has declared that they are the presumptive nominee at the time that they received the required number of delegates.  Since no delegate - pledged or super - has a vote until the convention, I don't see why you are taking issue with this (and really, you might as well say the same about McCain).  It is apparent who the nominee is.


by rfahey22 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 11:01:28 AM EST
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a tag name like yours, makes me wonder if you are a repug troll?


by IowaMike on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 11:23:02 AM EST
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Isn't it meant to be 'democratic voter?'  


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 04:46:44 AM EST

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I think he means (small d) "democrat voter" in the sense that he votes for (big D)Democrats as opposed to a voter who participates in the democratic process. In this diary, however, he sounds more like the latter than the former.


by STUBALL on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 04:54:02 AM EST

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Cheers.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 09:22:47 AM EST
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I've heard this a lot lately "as superdelegates don't vote until the convention, nobody can clinch the nomination".

It's true, but the fact is that NO delegates vote until the convention.  The score right now is 0 to 0, yet that hasn't stopped every apparent nominee from claiming the nomination when they reach the requisite delegates.  In fact, they usually claim it earlier.


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by Jess81 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 05:37:33 AM EST

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Didn't you know that Mike Gravel is going to come back and steal all the delegates in the end?

IT'S A GRAVELANCHE!


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by zcflint05 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 06:02:51 AM EST
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Gravel has won the majority of ultradelegates - invisible delegates with mysterious mind powers - in 49 of 50 states.  (Kucinich won Ohio's.)  Barack Obama would be a fool to ignore that and not ask Gravel to be his running mate.


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by mistersite on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 12:35:53 PM EST
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You left out McWar's Tuesday speech...remember Obama's (our)opponent? McWar will fill rooms for his speeches..Obama will fill basketball arenas...

McWar has no real base to energize and doesn't have the ability to energize. Obama has both..
jist MY take on Tuesday...


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by nogo postal on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 09:38:25 AM EST

Didn't I see this same diary.... (2.00 / 1)

before?

McCain isn't the nominee until MN, and that is why they call them both the presumtive nominees. I know you still hope that the Michelle Obama whitey video turns out to be true, or that he is found in a closet with wright, ayers, a small boy and a dead hooker burning a flag, but it ain't gonna happen.


by IowaMike on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:11:31 AM EST

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Terry McAuliffe announced her Tuesday night as the "next President of the United States". What was that about? Then she started in about having the majority of popular votes. They both sounded like Baghdad Bob. But other than that, I guess it's OK.


by Becky G on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:15:08 AM EST


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